A wild thought: if fatimas are so intelligent...

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A wild thought: if fatimas are so intelligent...

Post by Tomexe » Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:14 pm

...why did Atropos not become a Fatima meight herself?

Or for that matter Queen before her...

Lock yourself up in a old building, like Atropos DID do with her and Auge.

Fatima facilities need not be expensive or complex. Look at the little shack that Morard had in Kallamity where he made Ulicul and saved Colus's life. So the facilities needed are MUCH less than working on a Mortar Head like Atropos was...

If Queen and Atropos really wanted fatimas to be free and be like humans, they should of built their own fatimas that didn't have the distictive fatima characteristics. Build them heavier, all with 2A or 3A abilities, and let them pass as headdliners

By the time anyone found out it would be too late.

Once they had the facilities they could also start perhaps re-building fatimas so they no longer looked like fatimas and could pass for headliners as Atropos does.

Cause the Fatima Death Cult that Queen is starting bugs me.
Wishing to acheve "freedom" through death and the extinction of your whole race is just a tad bit warped for me.

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Post by Mave » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:48 pm

Tsk tsk...you have something against poor Atropos dont you? :roll:

You do make a good point though but look at it this way. Its not about the technology but maybe its more of a moral question for them.

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Post by Nu Soard Graphite » Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:48 pm

Because once the galaxy authorites found out, they would come down on top of them like a ton of Metrotekachrome! It wouldn't last for very long at all....to say the least.
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Re: A wild thought: if fatimas are so intelligent...

Post by Rubel Colus » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:34 am

First of all, what do u mean by "Fatima Death Cult that Queen is starting"? What did she do that made u think she is working towards the extinction of her own race? :shock:

Fatimas are naturally peace-loving. So that alone will contradict with any intention to build an army to fight the humans. If they are similar to humans aka war-like, I think the humans would be in very dangerous situation like what you said, but luckily no. However, the fatimas probably are no match for the Knights on physical combat, the only dangerous situation is when they used MHs.

Fatima meight or MH meight is not what everyone is capable of becoming, it does not mean a highly intelligent person can be a meight. In fact, meights are descendants of a branch of magic-users under 'Alchemy'. So it has everything to do with bloodlines and inheritence again. Fatimas are probably made intelligent but I highly doubt they are made with the genes of a meight. Even the meights probably didn't know of this themselves, as seen when it was revealed by Vos to Meeth.

Also in the case of Auge, what AT did was simply a program to replace a Fatima's role in a MH, which IMO is far less in complexity of creating a Fatima or a MH. Furthermore, her program is definitely far from being ideal.
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Post by Tomexe » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:37 am

Mave wrote:Tsk tsk...you have something against poor Atropos dont you? :roll:

You do make a good point though but look at it this way. Its not about the technology but maybe its more of a moral question for them.
I like AT, as a fatima without mind control she shows great promise.

What would the moral question for a fatima be? Its clear that people in the Joker world have a moral problem with those they define as "humans" being reproduced in the manner fatimas are, apparently as a result of bad memories from the time in the AD era when headdliners and divers were created in the same manner...

But remember AT's speech to Kain, after she got out of the Schpeltor that one time. She laid fatimas problems on humans mutilating their minds and sex organs so they could not either think for themselves or reproduce without human assistance. All because humans were afraid that fatimas would surpass them and needed such leverage to keep control.

Well if thats the case, she is already free of one bond, and she should need only the tools to be free from the other...why does she not act? She is positioned to give those who feared fatimas and imposed tose restraints exactly what they most feared. And in 350 years of hiding with Suezou pleanty of time to carry it out.

The other think is if fatimas DONT do something like this to take control of their own reproduction, then they will be sucked down when human civilization collapses.

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Post by Tomexe » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:52 am

First of all, what do u mean by "Fatima Death Cult that Queen is starting"? What did she do that made u think she is working towards the extinction of her own race?
I am talking about whats on pages 24-58 of English Vol 20. Queens apperance to Atropos after the end of the battle and everyones departure.

I cant see that any way other than Queen asking for death, not only for herself but for all fatimas. That she apparently can see no other way of ending their suffering except through death. There is no hope there she just wants a end, and she seems to think all fatimas would agree with her.

Nothing about fatimas being free, nothing about them either being accepted as humans or alternately about being a seperate but equal race, just a desire for oblivion.

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