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Post by Norsehound » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:36 pm

The Drifand Dal is not a tank. I'm surprised I didn't catch this...

The Drifand Dal is a support mecha, just like the Drifand Dee. It's functions include heavy lifting and artillery support. In the big battle at the end, Jabby even mounts in one (It has a big enough cockpit) and fires it's artillery cannons along with Terram Logwoods for fire support.

Several times the Drifand Dal was used to recover and lift things. One instance was recovering Kei's Charred Bronco II from the jungle.

An interesting note; when the american frankenstein came to the U.S., the Drifand Dal was marketed here as the Trigon (or something like that), which had it standing on all three legs on the box cover art. Unfortunately it is now, to my knowledge, one of the few sources of where anyone can find model kits for the Dal.

And a final note on Emaan mecha: Just about everything floats. The Emaan have perfected the art of inertia control (I'll have to review the episode for the exact term). After Kei comandeers an M.lover to go fight in, he agrees to fly along with the Glomar only if they repair his Bronco-II... but give it arms and an inertia control drive. This they do, creating the Orguss.

As for the Nickick... a similar suspension of disbeleif. IIRC, the Nickick was developed/advanced/released in response to the transforming Orguss. Since it's essentially a very advanced Ishkick, it MIGHT HAVE included a gravity control system stolen/copied from the Emaan, or just really powerful jets.

Besides, Macross has plenty of "wtf?" parts and peices when it comes to transformation. I mean, the VB-6 Koing monster from Macross does the same thing, essentially, and it's much larger

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Post by Tachyon » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:35 pm

The Drifand Dal profile page has been updated.
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Post by kosh » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:56 pm

I've got that model, it was part of Revels Robotech Defenders line. It was known as the trigon and was a very good model, well articulated and detailed. It's still unassembled in storage at my moms.
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Post by Tachyon » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:42 pm

After I load up the last 4 Chiram ships (the Valley Forge Fleet) I'm thinking of opening the pages to the public. I'll finish the section as "updates." Gears Online could use some public updates to let people know we're still here and still working on the site.

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Post by Tachyon » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:37 pm

The ascent capsule and Time/Space Bomb images are all cleaned up. 2 more orbital elevator images and that set is done. This project is definitely drawing to a close. You'll soon see entries for Rass Clan Patrol Car, Tobu Clan Convoy vehicle, Chiram officer anti-gravity car, Chiram fire fighting car, Chiram construction ship, Emaan construction ship and others.
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Post by kosh » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:30 am

Might not be a bad idea. It's always good to show everyone know that things are happening, even if it takes a while between updates.
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Post by Tachyon » Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:16 am

This is my last post to this thread (unless someone wants to chat). I just scanned the final image for the Orguss section: the Mu Consultation Room. I should have it cleaned up and (hopefully) posted tomorrow. Then Orguss will be on the announcements page for the site. Big thanks to Norsehound and Ollie in the UK.

I've already started looking through the books I'll use for the Gall Force section. Gall Force Star Front is first.
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Post by Norsehound » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:50 am

Can we still post revisions here?

One fact you have wrong is the D-weapon itself. After the bomb itself went off it (presumably) ceased to exist. What happened was, after the detonation, earth started to phase and the cealing appeared.

The disturbance orbiting the earth is also refered to as a Tokuiden (Or spectral point if you want to think that way), Kei and Olsen are 'parts' of the Tokuiden and have to be reuinited with it in order to resolve the earth to it's proper shape (or, however Kei and Olsen want it resolved).

I always beleived Space Island was a sattelite that was abandoned during the FSC-other war, but your line art clearly shows this isn't the case. It must be somewhere higher than the transitory station shown in your artwork, since Space island must have broken off after the detonation of the D-bomb. No reason that I recall was ever given for Space island's presence other than it was simply there and would cause bad things if it collided with the orbiting Tokuiden. If we're counting inconsistancies, the 'space island debris' shot is what is shown when Space island is first described, yet when we see it (the midpoint station itself), it appears as the line art shows it... only about half of it has been destroyed.

Great Kudos for filling out the Terram fleet, but you are missing one ship: The Arcadia! Captain Harlock's ship does appear in the last battle on the Terram side (it is olive green after all), I guess phased here after her battle on the Zentreadi side in DYRL? Not sure if it's included in the line art at all- though the Yamato was spotted once in the concept art for the SDF-1...

Anyways, thanks for bringing Orguss here and showcasing it for the rest of us!

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Post by Tachyon » Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:08 am

One fact you have wrong is the D-weapon itself. After the bomb itself went off it (presumably) ceased to exist. What happened was, after the detonation, earth started to phase and the cealing appeared.
I admit I may have this wrong. However, the ascent capsule takes Kei and Olson to where the bomb is, so... Doesn't that mean it's there? Weren't the heroes expecting to find the Time/Space Bomb there? Or were they unsure of what they'd find? Lets work it out and then I'll see about updating the bomb and elevator profiles.
The disturbance orbiting the earth is also refered to as a Tokuiden, Kei and Olsen are 'parts' of the Tokuiden and have to be reuinited with it in order to resolve the earth to it's proper shape
That's a good point. I don't think I made that clear.
I always beleived Space Island was a sattelite that was abandoned during the FSC-other war, but your line art clearly shows this isn't the case. It must be somewhere higher than the transitory station shown in your artwork, since Space island must have broken off after the detonation of the D-bomb.
I don't know all that much about it. A simple diagram on page 79 of the 2nd Orguss book shows the Earth, the elevator coming out of the equator (which means it sits in Brazil, Colombia or Ecuador) and the "midway station" that looks a lot like the Space Island shape. This same diagram states it is 40,000 km to midway station and then the same distance again to the end (which is labelled "elevator").

Page 83 shows... Ah! Hold on! It shows the image I labeled "Part Of Space Island." The caption says "chikyuu ni sekkin suru Space Island no ichibubun." Basically, a part of Space Island that is approaching/drawing near to the Earth. Is this what you meant?

Page 87 shows what I call "Space Island." The caption says, "orbital elevator central/middle part, 40,000 km height station. The place where the disaster/accident happened is here." A hand-written note in big letters next to the image says Space Island.

The relay station image just has the title I translated. It doesn't say how many of them there are.

I had never heard about Harlock's Arcadia being in Orguss. It doesn't appear in any images in the 2 Orguss books. It would be a great joke if the animators put it in. However, I wonder if I should include that in the Orguss pages.

Ok, let's talk this out. Thanks for the help!
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Post by Newton » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:07 pm

Studio Nue are such naughty little monkeys...^_^

All this cross-dimensional fanservice is pretty funny. Norsehound, your mention of the Arcadia showing up in the Macross Movie reminds me that the Orguss shows up in the final battle of the Macross TV series.

I was stunned when I was watching the ep for the umpteenth time and noticed a strange mech getting blown away by Zentraedi gunfire. On rewinding and slo-motioning through the scene, I realized it was the Orguss!

Back on-topic: Thanks to you, Tachyon, and to you, Norsehound, for getting the facts straight on Orguss. The section is only the better for such hard work.

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Post by Norsehound » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:05 am

I'll have to do some reviewing tonight or sometime to get the facts straight.

Off the top of my head: When the D-bomb exploded, the Tokuiden rose into the air up along the elevator before it cut to 'THE FUTURE!!!!'. So perhaps the bomb ascended and 'detonated' near Space Island (Which I guess would be a midway station on the elevator) and snapped it in half.

I hold that Kei and Olsen didn't know what was going to happen when they got there. Maybe it's a lack of plot doctoring on the part of the creators... Kei was genuinely surprised (to the point of vomiting) to see the same exact Bronco II fighters he and Olsen were flying just after the D-bomb went off.

The "relay station" you labled is the stop of our heroes on the Elevator. Until your space island image, I thought this was the top of the elevator. It is where Kei and Olsen shuffle off in the Tokuiden capsule, leaving Mimsy and Athena behind.
I was stunned when I was watching the ep for the umpteenth time and noticed a strange mech getting blown away by Zentraedi gunfire. On rewinding and slo-motioning through the scene, I realized it was the Orguss!
That would be the Orguss Valkyire, which our resident Rowboattech fanboys call the 'Jotun'

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdfma ... lkyrie.htm

Continuity note: Somewhere around Gibraltar, or duing one of the bazaars the Glomar holds, Kei is doing some work around boxes... one of which is labled "VF-1J". Likewise, some wreakage seen in the series may or may not be remains of Macross mecha.

Misa Hayase appears in a pornographic image when one of the Ishkick pilots is cycling channels for orders. It's just there in a second.

Minmei is remembered as one of the many girlfriends Kei has had before the D-bomb, along with Shammy.

In one episode, the kid who steals the Orguss is voiced by the same V.O. as Hikaru from Macross.

Kei's V.O. also performed as Max Jenius during Macross. Olsen's V.O. was Lynn Kyfun.

so yeah, just some random stuff. I'd have more to show off if I could do screencaps, but I can't, so the best I could do is draw cave pictures :(

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Post by Tachyon » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:10 am

I'll have to do some reviewing tonight or sometime to get the facts straight.
It's cool. Get back to me when you're ready to recommend revisions. It sounds like we need to touch up the bomb, elevator and story pages.
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