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Post by Daishikaze » Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:49 pm

I Know what you mean, it seems like creaters of Macross have lost the magic they once had.

Macross plus had alot of cool things about it but it didn't effect me the way the original macross did. I haven't bothered with Macross II, I'm abit afraid to.

I know Zero and 7 are no where near as good as the should have been, and that is a truely sad thing. it seems its falling into the same trap Gundam fell into, "keep it flashy and don't worry too much about the storyline, just make it marketable, we need to push those models.". I'm probably all wrong about the situation, but thats how it looks to me.

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Post by kosh » Sat Sep 25, 2004 3:22 am

I've watched the entire Macross II OAV about three times and I really enjoyed it.No it wasn't as good as the original Macross but,it was good none the less,especially judged on its' own merit.I really think that many times a series or movie gets panned by the fans because they compare it to heavily to what's gone before,especially if it's a sequel or continuation of an earlier story,and to me that's not fair to the new creation and people miss a good show because of the comparisons
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Post by Mave » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:58 am

Yeah, and you have to be wary of the fond-childhood-memory-cloud that oftens impeads ones objective judgement :P

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Post by Daishikaze » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:28 am

Maybe I will give it a look, which is the better version the OVA, or the Movie? The problem I have had is that until now I have heard nothing but bad things about this show, except that it had good Mecha designs.

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Post by Grebo Guru » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:34 pm

Macross II had a lot of potential, but didn't really live up to it. It is a decent OVA series (I recommend the OVAs, not the movie). Some of the mecha designs -- most notably the Valkyrie II -- are indeed great. The characters are pretty good, actually. And there are many good ideas. I many ways, it is what everyone WANTED in a Macross sequel, it just didnt do it very well.

The setup: Earth has been revitalized, somewhat, in the decades since the Great Space War. Cities have been rebuilt (using cannibalized Zentraedi ships! Its cool!) and UN Spacy pretty much runs human civilization. Ever few years, another random Zentraedi fleet shows up and attacks Earth, but with the power of music on their side, UN Spacy always beats back the attacks with ease. In fact, the Sol system is now full of "Minmei Defense" satellites which broadcast music whenever an unidentified Zentraedi fleet shows up. Amusingly, a festival is held on the moon every year to show off UN Spacy's newest advances and to choose a new pop song which will be used for the "Minmei Defense" for the next year.

Anyway, UN Spacy has it really easy thanks to the Minmei Defense, and they have become lazy and soft. Then along comes a Zentraedi fleet which is different. These Zentraedi cant be stopped by the Minmei defense, because they are being controlled by a race of humanoid Micronians called the Marduk -- who used BATTLE SINGERS to maintain control their hordes of Zentraedi soldiers even in the face of the Minmei Defense. All of a sudden the soft, lazy UN Spacy is on the ropes. The Minmei Defense doesnt work, and the Marduk-commanded Zentraedi are ripping through their forces...

The idea is GREAT. However, the story falls flat for a few reasons. For one thing, the Marduk are barely better than Zentraedi themselves -- they apparently live for war and have barely any culture of their own. A sadly oversimplified and too-Zentraedi-like race of enemies. For another thing, the Battle Singers are not the scary, drum-beating types you might imagine -- they're willowy girls who just sort of go "laaaaaaaaa" and are generally underwhelming. Plus there's this whole pointless plot involving the Marduk's obsession with the "Alus", which is understood to be the Macross... But its clearly not, given how underwhelming it is when the Macross rises again. (Actually, Im of the opinion that the "Alus" is EARTH, but there's little to support this.)

Still, the series has good characters, lots of action, excellent music, and a very true Macross feel. Which is more than I can say for Macross 7.

Heck, Im gonna go post this in the reviews section too!

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Post by Daishikaze » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:32 pm

it seems the only legit version I can find is the Movie. hmm, I'll just have to keep looking I guess

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Post by Grebo Guru » Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:39 pm

Heck, Im so fond of the VF-2SS that I tend to think of it as existing in the "real" Macross continuity as the VF-12S -- a contemporary of the VF-11 Thunderbolt. It seems to be about in line with that era of VF, statistically speaking (though it is bigger and heavier).

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