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Post by Tachyon » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:32 am

I forgot to thank Falk for his help cleaning up images. It takes a team to run a FSS Web site.
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Post by Tachyon » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:31 am

Guess I dumped too many at once?
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Post by Nu Soard Graphite » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:30 am

I think we just need to give them time to digest it
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Post by Tachyon » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:29 pm

Although it's poor form I'm going to "bump" this thread to the top again to see if anyone has any comments on these character profiles.
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Post by Falk » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:47 pm

Oh yeah, kinda forgot about that.
Thanks for the profiles^^.

I think there are a few typos about the word "Kneu". Sometimes it's written Kneu, and sometimes Knue.
In Barbeleuse profile, 1st line, and in the Siren R profile.
And on CHristine's profile, it's written she's now "a chevelier", it's chevalier right ?

So both the emperor and Ena wanted to save Christine ? (haha, I first wrote "Emperor" with a cap :p *WH40K nerd inside*)
Or does Lader decide to spare her life after Barbeluse sacrifice ?

In which book Christine has a crush on Blreno ? Can't remember.
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Post by Nu Soard Graphite » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:55 pm

Falk wrote:Oh yeah, kinda forgot about that.
Thanks for the profiles^^.

I think there are a few typos about the word "Kneu". Sometimes it's written Kneu, and sometimes Knue.
In Barbeleuse profile, 1st line, and in the Siren R profile.
And on CHristine's profile, it's written she's now "a chevelier", it's chevalier right ?
Yeah...just a few typos here and there. Point them out when you find them please!
So both the emperor and Ena wanted to save Christine ? (haha, I first wrote "Emperor" with a cap :p *WH40K nerd inside*)
Or does Lader decide to spare her life after Barbeluse sacrifice ?
Well this is mostly just speculation on my part, but I think that Ena would want to save Christine because of how much of an asset that Christine would be to Fillmore. I'm sure Lader was trying to figure out a way to save Chris, but Barbeleuse provided a fool-proof way of saving her, so he accepted. It would be a severe faux pas to ignore the last request of an honorable sepuku I would imagine, so no one would questions Laders decision.

In which book Christine has a crush on Blreno ? Can't remember.[/quote]
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Post by Vincent Valentine » Tue May 01, 2007 8:17 pm

Thank you. I'm always happy to read more info about the FSS universe.

This is the best English FSS site with good reason.

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Post by Falk » Wed May 02, 2007 5:59 pm

Nu Soard Graphite wrote:Well this is mostly just speculation on my part, but I think that Ena would want to save Christine because of how much of an asset that Christine would be to Fillmore. I'm sure Lader was trying to figure out a way to save Chris, but Barbeleuse provided a fool-proof way of saving her, so he accepted. It would be a severe faux pas to ignore the last request of an honorable sepuku I would imagine, so no one would questions Laders decision.
M'kay, so in this case the death sentence for Christine may be more a nobility revenge from the dead kid's family, or the "death-to-a-headdliner-who-killed-a-human" a "popular" sentence. Maybe even if technologicaly advanced, the Fillmore society may still be conservative.
Cuz' otherwise I guess they could've find a way to spare her life (or as it happened, her father's life) if they really wanted to (amaterasu shows no problem hiring criminals^^)
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Post by hitori » Wed May 02, 2007 8:24 pm

Nu Soard Graphite wrote:... I think that Ena would want to save Christine because of how much of an asset that Christine would be to Fillmore. I'm sure Lader was trying to figure out a way to save Chris, but Barbeleuse provided a fool-proof way of saving her, so he accepted. It would be a severe faux pas to ignore the last request of an honorable sepuku I would imagine, so no one would questions Laders decision.
Ena was already working to save Christine.
She is the one who sent Violeto Triton.
Notice when Triton returns to the palace, some of the Knights mention the orders for Christine's arrest has only just been sent out.

Ena's plan was probably to just kidnap and make her disappear.
At no point she reveals what exactly she would have done for Christine.

Barbaluse V's suicide did nothing to further Christine's cause.
Because of TV shows like Shogun, some people might have romanticized views of the ritual suicide (even Japanese ppl) but to be allowed to commit suicide itself is a show of great mercy.
You 'get to' die by a sword instead of living on for years in shame.
Nothing honorable or esteemed about it.

When someone does it as a protest, he is exploiting and perverting the original nature of it to make a scene.
It sure draws attention.

What Barbaluse did was to express that he is very sorry for the dishonor he caused the empire and for his daughter's sins.
It's not like he's paying with his life in her stead.

Christine's life was ultimately spared because of Lader's orders.
He orders her to live on in shame and to atone for her sins through self sacrifice.
She doesn't get to die and be forgotten/forgiven.
Her life is a punishment, not an award.
Notice nobody is happy that she gets to live.
Falk wrote:...the death sentence for Christine may be more a nobility revenge from the dead kid's family, or the "death-to-a-headdliner-who-killed-a-human" a "popular" sentence. Maybe even if technologicaly advanced, the Fillmore society may still be conservative.
Cuz' otherwise I guess they could've find a way to spare her life (or as it happened, her father's life) if they really wanted to (amaterasu shows no problem hiring criminals^^)
Pretty much all of Joker is very conservative on this matter.
A Knight harms/kills a human, he must pay with his life.
Amaterasu does keep criminals, but even he doesn't do it publicly.

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Post by Tachyon » Wed May 02, 2007 10:33 pm

What Barbaluse did was to express that he is very sorry for the dishonor he caused the empire and for his daughter's sins.
It's not like he's paying with his life in her stead.
Ok, here's what I really want to know: If Lader VIII stopped Blreno from committing suicide why didn't he stop Barbaluse?
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Post by Falk » Thu May 03, 2007 2:03 am

(Maybe Lader got a crush on Blreno :roll: :wink: )
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Post by hitori » Thu May 03, 2007 12:20 pm

Tachyon wrote:Ok, here's what I really want to know: If Lader VIII stopped Blreno from committing suicide why didn't he stop Barbaluse?
Lader didn't explain himself so we can't know for sure.
But unlike Barbaluse, Blreno was still was an inexperienced youth.

It is true that he lost the battle, but so what?
He was not the commander or anything.
He was just one member of the guerrilla team Boorei.
The team itself had performed magnificently up until the last battle.
Nobody expects you to win every single contest.

Blreno may have thought that he was to blame for the loss of his comrades, but it really was not his station to take that responsibility.
It achieves nothing when Blreno, a low ranking soldier, kills himself.
At that point of time, Lader chose to take the blame and spare the talented young Headdliner.

It really is the king's fault for not stopping Vlargo earlier.
Lader did try to call him back, but Vlargo had personal matters to settle and the king allowed it.
That in the end, led to the total destruction of the Boorei team.

Sound okay? :D

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Post by Tachyon » Thu May 03, 2007 2:34 pm

That explains it. I guess Lader respected the decision of a seasoned knight who knew he would live on in shame.

I'll adjust some character profiles when I have time to sit in front of my computer at home.
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Post by gogolotus » Mon May 14, 2007 8:58 am

Awesome! I love Christine~!

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