Fanservice in anime...

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Fanservice in anime...

Post by ShinDVDz » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:24 am

Damn, some anime are just LOADED with taht sh**, huh? I meabn, I'm watching Kiddy Grade...and I can't get through fiveminutes without seeing panties... :?

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Post by FSS is totally emo » Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:17 am

same prob with Vandread, it does get stupid after a while and when watching anime with your girlfriend, it can be hard to explain the concept of fanservice

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Post by Daishikaze » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:59 pm

I think the amount of Fanservice nowadays doesn't help when you try to get your spouse of girlfriend interested in anime. My Wife has a bad impression of anime because some of the stuff she has seen had too many panty shots or bare breasts or something. She thinks most anime is just for boys to drool over, therefore she doesn't like it.

It seems like Fanservice has taken over in alot of cases, sure Fanservice has always been apart of anime, but now its too large of a part. I myself don't have a problem with fanservice if its kept in check, but when every other scene has something like that, its going alittle overboard.
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Post by ShinDVDz » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:58 pm

Can someone explain fanservice to me?I'm not sure if I got it right..basically, it's just showing the fans something they would like, without interfereing with the story, right?

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Post by Grebo Guru » Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:57 pm

"fan service" is, essentially, lecherous moments thrown into anime and/or manga to stimulate the male readers and keep 'em interested and horny and bouncy and thus coming back for more.

So, every time a gratuitous panty shot or shower scene or locker room scene or major cleavage shot or something like that crops up, you're experiencing "fan service."

Gainax's "Aim For The Top! Gunbuster" is, as far as I know, the project which coined the term. The creators said in interviews that they would make sure that each episode contained at least one bit of Fan Service.

(Not that fan service didn't exist before Gunbuster. I mean, just think of Urusei Yatsura...)

Anyway, shows which are well-known for their preponderance of fan service include Onegai Teacher, Love Hina, and most notoriously Agent Aika -- which is pretty much ALL fan service.

As a bona fide horndog and pervo, Im all for sexy stuff. However, I do feel it has its place. Me, if I want sexy stuff, I'll just go for something which is all about sex -- that is, porn or hentai or whatever. But when I want to see a giant robot show or something, Im really not too pleased if there's lots of Fan Service.

Ghost In The Shell 2 (the manga) is perhaps the worst offender in this category. There are so many scantily-clad girls in such indiscreet poses that it just plain DISTRACTS from the action, technology, and story.

Personally, it strikes me as odd that fan service -- and, in a more general sense, the almost guaranteed exploitation of big, gravity-defying tits -- has become a staple of anime. It was not always so. Look at Gundam, Votoms, Macross, Megazone 23, Zeta Gundam, etc etc etc... None of those shows had much sex at all.

(Take Macross for example. I think Minmay's shower scene, Roy ogling her ass, and her in a couple of bathing suit and china girl dress scenes was the only sex content in the whole show.)

Modern anime, however, almost guarantees the presence of at least one female character who has massive, bouncing, anti-gravity boobs -- and she'll flaunt them every episode. Think of Gundam Seed's opening credits: they feature a silouhetted shot of one of the female characters, nude, arching her back and making her breasts do some kind of booby dance. And then there are shows like Gravion and Godannar -- I mean JEEZ...!

When I spoke to a Japanese friend of mine about this phenomenon, he said that he thought it came from anime's attempt to expand its audience... or at least maintain it... or at leat survive. The anime industry has been having a hard time for years now, and producers are pretty desperate for viewership. Sex sells, so when the going gets tough, the anime shows get pervy. Apparently.

Like I said, Im 100% fine with sex, porn, and T&A. I just think it has its place. Strangely enough, I don't want T&A all over every anime I watch, is all...

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Post by Falk » Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:45 pm

What does "bona fide" mean ? It's in the Bloodhound Gang lyrics (ok that's maybe not the best thing to expand my english vocabulary :p).

I agree with you about the whole fan-service thing.

Also about GITS, the english version is censored, the original version contains more than just girls in indiscreet poses. And yup', seeing this (I just saw the censored pages in fact, I've not read the manga :p), I really wonder what Kusanagi from the movies has in common with the one from the manga.

And yup', seeing how many series are now made of 13 episodes rather than 26 must confirm this. :|
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Post by Altron » Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:12 am

1. Bona Fide
Legit, thorough, true.
Yo, am bona fide when it comes to hustlin son!

Gotta love that Urban Dictionary. And sure, learning slang is a great way to expand your vocabulary. It allows you ... arg forget it, but slang is good to know.

Anyway, fanservice is a problem, if it is too dominant in a non-hentai anime. Although, I haven't experienced too many animes where it's all over the place, to the point where I end up not liking the manga/anime. Usually, it comes close to that point. Samurai Deeper: Kyo ... god... all they talk about is brothels and such, and show just barely under what is required to rate it a Mature (+18 yrs) manga. *sigh*... but it's battles keep me reading. w00t to samurai.

But a little bit of fanservice isn't a bad idea at all. Actually, it's a good idea. It keeps me laughing, paying attention, and provides good comedy relief. Like when Kira and that military women were in the cockpit together, and the cockpit was built for one person. And they got in a fight with some ZAFT pilot, and they got a wee bit 'jostled.' And the whole Fllay thing was over the top. At least in the manga.

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Post by Daishikaze » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:09 pm

Grebo, I completely agree with what your Japanese friend said. I have felt that way for quite some time. I think in the long run, the over indulgence in Fanservice is going to hurt more than it helps.

I also feel that there is a lack of effort to make anime great again. Nowadays I am wary of any new anime series that comes out, I don't buy as often as I used to because of financial constraints, so when I do buy, I have to make sure I'm getting my moneys worth. I feel comfortable buying the classics, because I have had more experience with them, I pretty much know what to expect.

With many new anime, I really have to be careful, I don't want buckets of unwarrented Fanservice or charactors with more psychoses than personality. I want a great story, or something that makes me laugh because its funny, not because its utterly stupid. I want charactors with depth, charactors you can care about.

Unfortunately for me, The fandom is practically built on the new, so classics only come in at a trickle. though I have along list of new series to buy, I don't really know if they are actually good, or just hype. To many reviewers base their ratings on looks, they talk more about visuals than they do the story or the charactors, so its really hard to find out if I will like something or not based on those.

needless to say i haven't been very enthusiastic about new anime as I used to be. I guess I have been burn once too often.

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Post by Xavadis » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:51 am

Way too much fan service in anime. I don't understand the appeal of giant boobs on skinny anime girls; it looks so pandering that it's a turn off. The only anime where I thought fan service worked well was Gunbuster, where it was done in moderation, and Golden Boy, where the comedy made the fan service a part of the story.

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Post by FSS is totally emo » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:15 pm

gunbuster is still a great OAV though

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Post by SteamTrooper » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:07 pm

The only level on which I can appreciate fanservice is when in the context of the story a character is made to feel embarased/aroused/confused or whatever - rather than to appeal to the viewer on this level. I fail to see how a 2d stylized image of a naked/semi clad person can in any way arouse or titilate anyone of rational mind. More so I fail to see why anyone would choose to view these images in this way when there is a wealth of more tangible and real alternatives available should the need arise.

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Post by Grebo Guru » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:19 pm

SteamTrooper wrote:I fail to see how a 2d stylized image of a naked/semi clad person can in any way arouse or titilate anyone of rational mind.
Shut the hell up, you pompous weenie.

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Post by Altron » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:22 am

SteamTrooper wrote:I fail to see how a 2d stylized image of a naked/semi clad person can in any way arouse or titilate anyone of rational mind. More so I fail to see why anyone would choose to view these images in this way when there is a wealth of more tangible and real alternatives available should the need arise.
The point you make is valid. But, there are completely sane people who become aroused by watching hentai or what have you.

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Post by Grebo Guru » Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:06 am

I dont think his point is all that valid.

He fails "to see why anyone would choose to view these images in this way when there is a wealth of more tangible and real alternatives available should the need arise," eh?

Imagine if we were talking about live-action driving adventures vs anime driving adventures:

"Why would one watch Initial D when one could watch Fastlane or, for that matter, go race people for real?"

(rolls eyes)

Duh.

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Post by Lalasa » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:36 am

If I wanted hentai, I'll get hentai. But I want to see machines exploding not bodily (other than a bit of blood) fluids. That's just disgusting.

The first Gits movie had Kusanagi ripping her shirt open, but she's a robot. As much as my male cousins adore mecha, they don't love it that much. Her ripping her shirt did nothing for my cousins. But unfortunately she still looks human. So when an older male friend who's not a mecha or anime fan comes in just exactly at that moment, all he saw was a well endowed woman ripping her shirt open.

Talk about an unpleasant culture shock.

This is probably why I dislike Chobits so much. The story, the characters and the technology is alright. It's an okay story, but what really made me annoyed was the unnecessary placement of Chi's "ON button". What, in CLAMP's future universe, there won't be female persocon users? It worked just fine because Chi's user is Hideki and male and probably was "sexy" to some viewers, but it was just annoying to me.

I wonder if the male shaped persocons would have the "On button" between their legs as well. Or no, not button, but poles. *rolls eyes*

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